Remember: R&D Is Figured In BEFORE Profits Are Disseminated

From Wired News’s book review, In Hot, Flat, and Crowded, Thomas Friedman Calls for a Green Energy Revolution: “The last big innovation in energy production, [Friedman] observes, was nuclear power half a century ago; since then the field has stagnated. ‘Do you know any industry in this country whose last major breakthrough was in 1955?’ Friedman asks. According to the book, US pet food companies spent more on R&D last year than US utilities did.”

11 Comments

  1. Dovev
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 01:14 pm | Permalink

    Really interesting point about R&D spending by the U.S. government. Additionally, United States R&D spending on energy has dropped 40% (in adjusted dollars) since 1980 (which is about the time the idea of ‘peak oil’ really started gaining traction among policymakers).

    Given what we talked about concerning U.S. oil subsidies, this is ridiculous!

  2. justin
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 03:02 pm | Permalink

    My question would be that oil companies have been more and more proficient at finding new oil and natural gas, drilling in deeper waters more efficiently, transporting and storing the oil in cheaper and processing oil out of places that 20 years ago would not have been possible; am I to believe that all this technology was around in 1955?

    Again why ask an oil company to finance the downfall of their business? This should be an all new venture with new people at the helm.

  3. justin
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 03:12 pm | Permalink

    Also I would consider in the 80’s when they figured out how to transport natural gas in liquid form a pretty significant breakthrough.

  4. Posted August 28, 2008 at 03:21 pm | Permalink

    Your point about oil companies not spending on R&D to “finance the downfall of their business” is a decent one, but at the same time, you’d think that any company based on depleting the earth of its own product would think about what to do once the…sorry…well runs dry.

  5. justin
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 03:29 pm | Permalink

    Well then they die, which is fine with me. Until I see numbers on that pet food claim I call bull shit.

  6. Posted August 28, 2008 at 04:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m still looking for the numbers on this (Friedman’s book doesn’t come out until Sept. 8, so I can’t check his endnotes until at least then), but I did find this summary of a keynote speech from the chief executive of the Tennessee Valley Authority:

    “Instead of a stepped-up commitment to electricity R&D for the 21st century, budgets are down. [The executive] observed that in the United States, pet food manufacturers spend a greater percentage of their revenue on R&D than do electric utilities. Particularly low is long-term funding — patient money — for the fundamental R&D needed to pursue potential scientific breakthroughs.”

    I also found a refutation letter on the Economist.com. It’s refuting a statement made in an article locked behind the wall of the Economist’s premium service. Anyway, here’s the letter:

    “SIR —

    “Your statement that U.S. electric utility R&D expenditures in 2003 were less than those of the pet-food industry is a particularly misleading comparison. Every utility company executive I have ever met knows quite well that regulatory changes for CO2 and other emissions (eg, mercury) are coming and will require research in order to comply economically. At the same time, these executives also know the history of federal expenditures for energy research and the history of specific regulatory impositions.

    “Therefore, there can be no incentive to be a “first mover” in R&D or emissions reduction and every incentive to delay. Why spend for research when it is likely that the government will do so for you? Why invest in expensive technology that might be rendered obsolete by future regulatory action? These considerations would have been especially important in 2003, since the first large-scale energy legislation of the century was not passed until 2005 and because utility managements have fiduciary obligations not to waste shareholder funds.

    “Finally, let’s remember what followed the pet food industry’s 2003 R&D expenditures: poisonous melamine made its way into a wide variety of pet foods earlier this year.

    “R. L. Promboin
    “Vienna, Virginia”

    And lastly, just as a fun fact, on a search for “pet food US utilities R&D,” this post comes up second on Google. Don’t let anyone tell you that Fluid Imagination doesn’t have decent Google juice.

  7. justin
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 04:37 pm | Permalink

    I found one from Obama but that is for the US government spending on new technology vs pet food research and development, and even that was wrong.

    The chief executive of the Tennessee Valley Authority is talking about electricity so I am not sure if we are talking just oil or inculding everything. If everything is incuded then I call serious bullshit.

    Maybe if Gore shut some of lights off they would not need to worry about electricity down in Tennessee. Did you know that when he buys carbon credits he gives money to the company he owns? And I bet, although I have no proof of this yet, he profits with this company.

  8. justin
    Posted September 8, 2008 at 06:31 pm | Permalink

    From Slate.com’s book review:

    “Friedman embraces worst-case scenarios for climate change, warning not just of global warming but “global weirding.” Yet his factual assertions are impossible to weigh, since Hot, Flat, and Crowded contains no footnotes or source notes. Friedman asserts, for instance: “In fact, the American pet food industry spends more each year on R&D than the American utilities industry does.” Good luck figuring out the “in fact” part. Supposing this Paul Harvey-like line is true, it is also silly, because utilities do not build power-plant systems—vendors such as General Electric and Combustion Engineering perform the technical R&D.”

  9. Posted September 8, 2008 at 07:08 pm | Permalink

    Good find.

  10. justin
    Posted September 8, 2008 at 08:49 pm | Permalink

    What part the no footnotes and murky facts or that the R&D is done not by the oil companies but by the vendors?

  11. Posted September 8, 2008 at 09:55 pm | Permalink

    The both.

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