Comments on: Hope Springs But From One Source http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/ Melting down disparate elements to form a new reality. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:17:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Kyle http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-43079 Kyle Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:36:34 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-43079 Because of all the uproar about the NY Times' article on McCain, the editors decided to answer some of the questions that people had about their decision to print the story. Among them was a question as to why The New York Times strongly endorsed Senator McCain to be the Republican Party nominee in January, if at the same time the paper was well aware of and continuing to investigate what it considered to be front-page, damaging, “un-presidential” charges? The editors responded: <blockquote>The news department of The Times and the editorial page are totally separate operations that do not consult or coordinate when it comes to news coverage and endorsements or other expressions of editorial opinion. We in the newsroom did not speak to anyone at the editorial page about the story we were working on about Senator McCain. They did not consult us about their deliberations over endorsements of the presidential candidates. I’m the political editor, and the first I knew of the McCain endorsement (and of the endorsement of Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side) was when I read them in the newspaper.</blockquote> I'm quoting this here to address Dave's comments above. Because of all the uproar about the NY Times’ article on McCain, the editors decided to answer some of the questions that people had about their decision to print the story. Among them was a question as to why The New York Times strongly endorsed Senator McCain to be the Republican Party nominee in January, if at the same time the paper was well aware of and continuing to investigate what it considered to be front-page, damaging, “un-presidential” charges? The editors responded:

The news department of The Times and the editorial page are totally separate operations that do not consult or coordinate when it comes to news coverage and endorsements or other expressions of editorial opinion. We in the newsroom did not speak to anyone at the editorial page about the story we were working on about Senator McCain. They did not consult us about their deliberations over endorsements of the presidential candidates. I’m the political editor, and the first I knew of the McCain endorsement (and of the endorsement of Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side) was when I read them in the newspaper.

I’m quoting this here to address Dave’s comments above.

]]> By: Kyle http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-42131 Kyle Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:30:05 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-42131 By loyal Democrats, I meant those who will vote for the party's nominee, regardless of who it is. By loyal Democrats, I meant those who will vote for the party’s nominee, regardless of who it is.

]]> By: justin http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-42034 justin Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:35:49 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-42034 Wow, the New York Times biased I have never heard such a thing. I have always said that they only report impartial, objective information. Especially politically. Wow, the New York Times biased I have never heard such a thing. I have always said that they only report impartial, objective information. Especially politically.

]]> By: Alex http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41903 Alex Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:40:52 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41903 Addendum: I like your point, Kyle, that many of Obama's supporters are not loyal Democrats. Especially if you judge who's a loyal Democrat by who will vote for whomever the New York Times tells them to. Addendum: I like your point, Kyle, that many of Obama’s supporters are not loyal Democrats. Especially if you judge who’s a loyal Democrat by who will vote for whomever the New York Times tells them to.

]]> By: david http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41880 david Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:36:42 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41880 throwing obama a little support every now and then could be a smoke screen... - i'd like to know how many articles have been printed by the new york times in support of obama vs. the number of articles printed in support of hillary... throwing obama a little support every now and then could be a smoke screen… - i’d like to know how many articles have been printed by the new york times in support of obama vs. the number of articles printed in support of hillary…

]]> By: david http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41878 david Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:32:07 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41878 that doesn't change the fact that the new york times has endorsed hillary for president... - even if they save their spin for the op-ed pages... - it's still printed with a seal of approval... - they can't just blatantly say "f@ck obama"... - so... - they put a pretty little bow on it with a fancy name like krugman... that doesn’t change the fact that the new york times has endorsed hillary for president… - even if they save their spin for the op-ed pages… - it’s still printed with a seal of approval… - they can’t just blatantly say “f@ck obama”… - so… - they put a pretty little bow on it with a fancy name like krugman…

]]> By: Kyle http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41876 Kyle Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:19:28 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41876 I don't buy it, Dave. This is the Op-Ed page, and there've been plenty of positive op-eds for Obama. <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/paulkrugman/index.html?offset=0&s=newest" rel="nofollow">Krugman's articles</a>, however, usually go with Clinton...or rather, they go against Obama. So it's not the NY Times who is disappointing me, but Krugman. I don’t buy it, Dave. This is the Op-Ed page, and there’ve been plenty of positive op-eds for Obama.

Krugman’s articles, however, usually go with Clinton…or rather, they go against Obama.

So it’s not the NY Times who is disappointing me, but Krugman.

]]> By: Alex http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41874 Alex Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:09:59 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41874 Such is the pain of party politics. Krugman is giving us the same tripe that reelected Bush in '04. Establishment heads are conceited in their belief that they own everyone left of center. What they don't realize is, Obama is my man not because I feel obligated to vote for him, but because I want to vote for him. I am eager to vote for him. I will vote for Hillary if need be. I think she would be a thoroughly competent executive. But to confuse that with authentic support is a pollster's fallacy. Such is the pain of party politics. Krugman is giving us the same tripe that reelected Bush in ‘04. Establishment heads are conceited in their belief that they own everyone left of center. What they don’t realize is, Obama is my man not because I feel obligated to vote for him, but because I want to vote for him. I am eager to vote for him.

I will vote for Hillary if need be. I think she would be a thoroughly competent executive. But to confuse that with authentic support is a pollster’s fallacy.

]]> By: david http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41873 david Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:07:19 +0000 http://fluidimagination.com/blog/2008/02/11/hope-springs-but-from-one-source/#comment-41873 or maybe it's because the new york times has endorsed hillary and just decided to spin a story that paints hillary as just a victim of the "clinton rules" while the venomous obama supporters breathe fire and paint little pentagrams on their toenails... fox news anyone? or maybe it’s because the new york times has endorsed hillary and just decided to spin a story that paints hillary as just a victim of the “clinton rules” while the venomous obama supporters breathe fire and paint little pentagrams on their toenails…

fox news anyone?

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