Clinton and Obama: A Contest of Realistic vs. Romantic Worldviews

From New York Magazine’s Clinton and Obama: A Contest of Realistic vs. Romantic Worldviews: “If you find yourself drawn to the Clinton candidacy, you likely believe that politics is politics, that partisanship isn’t transmutable, that Republicans are for the most part irredeemable…If you find yourself swept up in Obamamania, on the other hand, you regard this assessment as sad, defeatist, as a kind of capitulation. You’re perfectly aware that politics is often a dirty business. But you believe it could be a bit cleaner, a bit nobler, a bit more sustaining. You think that paradigm shifts can happen, that the system can be rebooted. Most of all, an attraction to Obama indicates you are, on some level, a romantic. You never had your JFK, your MLK, and you desperately crave one: What you want is to fall in love.”

12 Comments

  1. justin
    Posted February 1, 2008 at 03:32 pm | Permalink

    Clinton owned Obama last night IMO. If Clinton become president I might move back to canada.

  2. Posted February 1, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    I can’t say I agree on the Clinton owning Obama thing. I think she definitely came off better at the beginning of the debate, but when they moved into the second hour, after the first commercial break, I think Obama came on strong, and his responses to the Iraq questions, especially as it relates to future debates with the Republican nominee in the general election, were, I think, much more commanding.

    That being said: I think the Democratic party is luck to have both these candidates, and while I am not a Hilary supporter and while I don’t have much faith in the Clinton-brand of politics being able to inspire a paradigm shift in this country (as is dearly needed), I do think she’ll be, at worst, a pragmatic President, whose intentions are generally good and who will work hard to bring her policy ideas to fruition.

    I just don’t like the way I envision her doing that.

  3. justin
    Posted February 2, 2008 at 06:31 pm | Permalink

    Do you see a Clinton/Obama Obama/Clinton ticket? If that is the case I still do not know if this country is ready to vote in anyone but a old white guy whose name does not end in a vowel, and that is a sad if it is true.

  4. justin
    Posted February 5, 2008 at 03:39 pm | Permalink

    This does not really go here but I just wanted to say that it is Super Tuesday; a city in Vermont has declared Bush a criminal and he will be arrested if he ever goes there, the pats lost the superbowl, and Kyle has not posted a thing. What the hell has to happen in this world for you to try to generate some conversation here? Nice job buddy, this place is a ghost town and even the twitter thing is screwed up. It’s time to shit or get off the pot. Also do not try to blame this on anyone.

    Also Adam if you are reading I am curious if the falling price of the dollar helped your short lived career as a currency trader. What ever happened with that?

  5. Posted February 5, 2008 at 03:49 pm | Permalink

    FYI: I go to school full-time and I work a full-time job. Some days the blog just doesn’t show up on the radar for me.

    As far as the Super Bowl, I thought Dave’s post summed up my feelings pretty nicely; I hadn’t heard about the Vermont town/Bush criminal thing; and on the Super Tuesday issue, I don’t think I’ve made any secret of the fact that I support Obama, so there’s not a hell of a lot to say until the results come in.

  6. justin
    Posted February 5, 2008 at 04:33 pm | Permalink

    Weird most post vanished, hopefully this is not a repeat.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, Ms. Lippy! The part of the story I don’t like is that the little boy gave up looking for Happy after an hour. He didn’t put posters up or anything, he just sat on the porch like a goon and waited. That little boy’s gotta think ‘You got a pet. You got a responsibility.’ If your dog is lost you don’t look for an hour then call it quits? You get your ass out there, and you find that fucking dog!”

    You are the little boy, the blog is your pet, stop being a goon.

    I would vote Obama if I voted, if it came down to McCain and Clinton I am not sure what I would do. Clinton seems to hate the middle class more then McCain but McCain would keep us in Iraq until there is a burger king on every corner.

  7. Posted February 5, 2008 at 04:52 pm | Permalink

    What do you mean “if I voted?” Isn’t today Massachusetts’ day to vote?

  8. justin
    Posted February 5, 2008 at 05:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t vote. Mainly because I am a dual citizen and from what I understand is that if I vote or register to vote I lose my citizenship to Canada. I could be 100% wrong on this it is just what I have hears, and I am not even sure where I heard this.

    If Obama wins and for some reason Massachusetts is up for grabs and he needs my vote to secure the White House then I will give up my Canadian citizenship.

  9. Posted February 5, 2008 at 05:11 pm | Permalink

    Hey Justin,

    So there’s this wonderful thing with a ton of information on it. It’s called the Internet. And on this Internet, there’s a service called Google, which is a kind of search engine that will help you find, based on just a few keywords, whatever it is you’re looking for on the Internet.

    It would be great for something like the issue you’re having now. To use it, you go to http://www.google.com, and then in the little box provided, type in “dual citizenship canada voting”.

    Literally, the first entry you’ll see in the results list will be titled “Question and Answers on dual US/other citizenship.” When you click on that, you’ll find a list of frequently asked questions, one of which will be, “I am a dual US/Canadian citizen by birth. I was once told that if I ever voted in either an American or a Canadian election, I would lose citizenship in the other country. Is this true?”

    Hey, that’s the exact question you have! What’s the answer?

    “Absolutely not true. Neither US nor Canadian citizenship law says anything about losing citizenship as a result of voting in an election in another country.”

    Click here for the answers to more frequently asked questions.

  10. justin
    Posted February 5, 2008 at 05:42 pm | Permalink

    That person must have got the same info I had. Like I said before I had an inkling that it was BS, and I guess used it as an excuse. I had not really felt the urge to vote so registering really never made it to the list of things to do. It was easier to say that then to try to explain that in my opinion that no Politian has ever earned my vote and that voting for the sake of voting was not my idea of a good thing.

  11. Jess
    Posted February 7, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Justin, have you always been a dual citizen? What’s the story?

  12. justin
    Posted February 7, 2008 at 03:01 pm | Permalink

    I was an american until I was about 5 then I moved to Canada, where my Mother is from, and she had to make me a Canadian citizen for the healthcare. We moved back and forth so much that it was easier to have me be a dual. The only proof of this is a ratty old document I have although I wonder if I still am having lived 90% of my life in the US.

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