From Article 1 of House Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s Resoluton to Impeach the Vice-President: “In his conduct while Vice President of the UnitedStates, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice Presi-dent of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the United States Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national rity interests.” [Link includes all related and supporting documents]
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i’m voting for kucinich… - all the other candidates can suck it… - what a bunch of phonies… - did anyone watch the debate? - when the question came up about kucinich’s resolution on impeaching cheney… - noone raised their hand in support of it… - that made me sick to my stomach… - they talk about what a massive failure this administration is and agree that the administration distorted the intelligence findings regarding iraq and have squandered the treasury and blackened the reputation of the country and not one raised their pathetic hand to agree to a resolution to impeach cheney? - are you kidding me? - fuck’m all… - they make me sick… - kucinich all the way…
Wow, absolutely terrible lyrics about shooting a “bitch” in the head as one response and serious political rhetoric in another. What can we expect to hear next?
Anyway, I heard a random caller on NPR say [about Cheney], “When is someone going to drive a steak through the heart of that beast?” I think Kucinich is trying to do just that.
thanks for the compliment on the lyrics… - you knowns how i roll… - it’s a work in progress… - i get all pumped up when someone brings a gun to the party… - it’s like… - chips and salsa? - dude… - where’s the nine millimeter? - don’t even get me going… - i’ll work on a special chorus… - it’ll go… - “someone brought a gun to the par-tay”… - or something…
why waste time impeaching someone that will be out of office before he would be impeached?
I wonder if its because he is running that he is making all this noise about impeachment. free publicity is good publicity
it wouldn’t be a waste of time… - and the process would hopefully be the first step in a criminal trial that would land a boat load of people in prison…
what i meant to say was that hopefully it would be the first step TOWARDS a criminal trial…
would it be safe to say that no matter who gets to be the next president of the u.s…. - that… - he or she would take this “war on terror” in a different direction?
wouldn’t it be a better idea for the president to start to lube up the avenues of change other than just handing over a gigantic pile of shit to the next administration before he retires to the porch of his ranch with mcclellan to chum it on up about the good ole days?
The avenues of change will be complete when this administration and everyone with it ride off into the sunset. My point is if you start the impeachment process and then people you are trying to get out of office leave office, the impeachment process stops. Waste of time. If this was the first term then it would be a good idea, because it would pretty much keep them out of a second term.
And there will be no criminal trial, I mean honestly. THey couldn’t convict OJ, and these guys have a lot more money, power, ect.
that was Justin not Nicole
it’s not a waste of time… - again… - it might show the world something other than the u.s. pulling down our trousers and shitting on the entire world…
which reminds me…
did anybody catch the john mccain announcement? - the one where he announces that he’s running for president? - blech… - he’s like… - “america, the country in which all of mankind depends”… - “i’m experienced”… - “i’m going to fix everything”… - “the american people want change and i’m just the homo to give it to them”… - yay…
he’s like a bobble-head doll filled with octopus sperm… - thanks rambo… - but… - no thanks…
It would show the world that we are even more inept. There will be no criminal trial, and they would be out of office before we could kick them out. It woukls just be a giant waste of time and money.
so… - keeping them in office and letting them walk away scott-free after completely demolishing any semblance of sanity in the world would be a better idea?
as far as i’m concerned… - and i’m not alone… - this administration has been exactly that… - a giant waste of time and money… - feed’m to the fuck’n hounds… - drop’m in a pit of fuck’n snakes… - fuck’n give’m a speeding ticket… - anything other than keeping them around and allowing them to continually drag the world down into their version of compassion…
they’re all a bunch of filthy fuck’n redneck kennedy assassinating satanists… - off with their heads… - with a slow… - rusting chainsaw… - starting at the ankles and working its way up…
fuck’n music to my ears… - i can hear it now… - wwwwaaaaaaawwwwwww… - “aaahhhhhhh… - stop… - please stop… - my father was the forty first president”… - wwwwaaaaaaawwwwww… - “god told me to do it”… - WWWAAAWWW WWWAAAWWWW WWWWWWAAAAAAWWWWWW…
Just because you, and others, want to get them out of office or have them tried for charges does not mean it will happen. So instead of these public officials spinning their wheels maybe they should concentrate on getting something that can be done, done.
If this was 03 I would have no problem with it, but why try and start something that in a best case senerio would take a 18 months to accomplish and has what a 1% chance of working. If you ask me its a bunch of saber rattling done to get a certain persons name in the papers.
the only one rattling a saber is bush and it’s only a matter of time before he cuts his own arteries… - and i’ll be there to piss on the wound and cut off his balls with a butter-knife… - you know… - so he can’t impregnate anymore stepford pigs…
oink oink…
The argument here seems to be between one of idealism and pragmatism, where the idealist believes that America should actually try to live out the ideals described in its Constitution and in the documents of the founding fathers, and their inspirations; and the pragmatist believes that ideals are great and all, but when defending them becomes too much of a pain in the ass, they should be set aside so that “real” work can be done.
We live in a nation of laws, and no person is above the law. This notion seperates our “sense” of government from those where the governors belong to a privileged caste, as in a monarchy or plutocracy. If we ignore the crimes of our governors now, what have we done but surrendered our democracy, not to the fundamentalist muslims who would rob us of our freedom, but to the rich and the powerful, who would the flaunt the responsibilities that comes with living free.
exactly…
Kyle, do you think a DA tries every case that goes in front of them? I will answer that for you the answer is no. If a case does not have enough evidence, or if the DA does not believe it has a strong enough case to convince all the jurors beyond a resonable doubt it they will not waste time and money doing it. No matter how rich or poor, powerfull or weak the defendant is.
Now do you really think there is enough time to impeach anyone before they leave office? Lets say they start the process, get 80% of they way through and these guys leave office because its the end of their term. You know what happens to the impeachment process, it ends. So all that time was wasted. There is no DNA on a dress here, trying to prove what people knew and didn’t know is a hard thing.
I’m assuming that was left by Justin.
I hear what you’re saying, but again, it’s not about whether it’s practical or not, but whether it’s right or not.
Even if the impeachment process was not completed before January 2009, the investigation to build the evidence may find enough to then charge the President and Vice-President in a criminal court.
Using your logic, the nation is basically telling future presidents, “Hey, once you get about halfway through your second term, don’t worry about anything. Flaunt all the laws you want. Be a total douche. Piss on the Constitution. Because we’d rather wait you out then hold you responsible for your actions.”
First lets just point out that the only reason this is happening is for publicity so someone can run for president. Already the reasoning behind it makes me loathe that it is even being discussed. NOt because I wouldn’t want to see it happen just that it is being used as a political ploy to garner attention.
Second, why not just get evidence to charge them criminally and forgo the horse and pony show? Why go through something that is not likely to happen anyway, I also do not think that there would be much to go on for a criminal trial either what are the charges again? but thats a whole different story.
Third say they go to trial and do not get convicted wouldn’t that set a more dangerous precedent for future presidents?
Waste of time.
I think what some folks are confused about is whether or not the American peoples opinion counts. So what if we want to impeach someone? Even if it were during his first term it wouldn’t have happened. These dudes are on a way different level than you or I. They don’t GET in trouble.
Dave, just what the hell are you talking about? Chain-saws, pigs, arteries, snakes, octopus? I’m totally lost.
If kissinger didn’t go to jail, these guys will not either. If this happened during first term at the very least it would of gave enough bad publicity that maybe they would of lost. Then again it was against Kerry, and short of a picture of Bush killing a baby I am not sure Bush would of lost.
you’re not lost leigh…
you namanamshay’n…